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Crafting 24-3p into a Useful Tool for Representatives to Fight Against Job Numbers (Presented by the National Organization of Social Security Claimants’ Representatives)

SSR 24-3p strategies to challenge vocational experts who improperly use SOC codes instead of DOT codes for job numbers.

2025-08-26 15:00:00

1 hours

Program Details

2025-08-26 15:00:00

2025-08-26 15:00:00

1h CLE Credits

2025-08-26 15:00:00

1 hours

Program Details

2025-08-26 15:00:00

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2025-08-26 15:00:00

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2025-08-26 15:00:00

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Course Overview

Challenging Vocational Expert Testimony Using SOC Codes

2025-08-26 15:00:00

Participants will learn strategies to scrutinize vocational expert testimony when experts improperly rely on SOC codes rather than DOT codes. These techniques strengthen disability cases and preserve issues for appeal.

Format

CLE Credit

1h CLE Credits

Level

Intermediate

Length

1

Key topics that will be covered

01
SSR 24-3p
Representatives must question vocational expert expertise, methods, and source reliability during hearings.
02
Expert Types
Job Browser Pro experts provide reliable testimony; US Publishing experts often inflate numbers.
03
SOC vs DOT
SOC codes group multiple occupations and cannot substitute for specific DOT code numbers.
04
Red Flags
Watch for phrases like “representative DOT title” indicating improper SOC code usage.
05
Cross-Examination
Ask experts to explain how they derived DOT numbers from SOC code data.
06
Appeal Preservation
Document challenges during hearings and preserve issues through post-hearing briefs.

Program schedule

clock 3:00 pm - 3:15 pm EST

How SSR 24-3p Empowers Representatives Against VE Testimony

This session explores how SSR 24-3p provides representatives with new tools to challenge vocational expert testimony by requiring transparency in methods and sources. Representatives will learn the key language in the ruling that mandates raising relevant questions during hearings and the benefits of mastering vocational expertise.

Adam SundlingAdam Sundling
clock 3:15 pm - 3:30 pm EST

Identifying Experienced Versus Inexperienced Vocational Experts

Learn to distinguish between Job Browser Pro vocational experts who provide reliable DOT-based testimony and US Publishing experts who may rely on inflated SOC code numbers. This session covers red flags in methodology and the critical differences in how each source calculates job availability.

Adam SundlingAdam Sundling
clock 3:30 pm - 3:45 pm EST

Why SOC Codes Cannot Identify Other Jobs

Explore the regulatory framework requiring DOT classifications including Wishman v. Kijakazi, SSR 24-3p, and POMS guidelines that prohibit using aggregated SOC codes for job numbers. Understand how SOC groupings inflate job availability estimates and why sedentary unskilled work essentially doesn’t exist in significant numbers.

Adam SundlingAdam Sundling
clock 3:45 pm - 4:00 pm EST

Catching Problematic VEs and Preserving Appeal Issues

Master practical cross-examination questions to expose vocational experts improperly using SOC codes and learn red flag phrases that indicate unreliable methodology. This session covers strategies for removing unqualified experts, responding to judicial pushback, and preserving issues through post-hearing briefs for appeal.

Adam SundlingAdam Sundling
Adam Sundling

Adam Sundling

Walker Firm, PC

Adam Sundling

Adam Sundling

Walker Firm, PC

Adam Sundling is a Social Security Disability attorney based in the Twin Cities Metro, dedicated to providing the best possible chances of success for those filing for disability benefits and empowering other advocates in the field.

Experience

Over 3 years practicing Social Security Disability law. Has handled cases from all 50 states including Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands. Currently with Walker Firm, PC out of California, continuing to develop creative methods for overcoming barriers that prevent claimants from receiving Social Security Disability benefits.
Adam Sundling

Adam Sundling

Walker Firm, PC

Adam Sundling is a Social Security Disability attorney based in the Twin Cities Metro, dedicated to providing the best possible chances of success for those filing for disability benefits and empowering other advocates in the field.

Experience

Over 3 years practicing Social Security Disability law. Has handled cases from all 50 states including Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands. Currently with Walker Firm, PC out of California, continuing to develop creative methods for overcoming barriers that prevent claimants from receiving Social Security Disability benefits.

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