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One VE Cross to Rule Them All – Track I (Presented by National Organization of Social Security Claimants’ Representatives)

Since SSR 24-3p, building a comprehensive cross examination of the vocational witness has been harder. Learn one approach that should cover most instances — combining several popular current approaches — with guidance for before, during, and after the hearing, and how to use what you get.
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2026-10-13 17:00:00

1 hours

Theodore Norwood

NOSSCR

Meghan Gallo

GCC Law firm

David Chermol

Chermol & Fishman, LLC

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2026-10-13 17:00:00

2026-10-13 17:00:00

1h CLE Credits

2026-10-13 17:00:00

1 hours

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Theodore Norwood

NOSSCR

Meghan Gallo

GCC Law firm

David Chermol

Chermol & Fishman, LLC

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Program Details

2026-10-13 17:00:00

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2026-10-13 17:00:00

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2026-10-13 17:00:00

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Course Overview

SSR 24-3p Made the VE Cross Harder. Here Is One Approach That Covers Most of It

2026-10-13 17:00:00

The ground has shifted. Since SSR 24-3p, putting together a comprehensive cross examination of the vocational witness has been harder. The popular approaches each answer part of the problem — this session combines several of them into one approach that should cover most instances. The cross is bigger than the hearing room. Preparation before the hearing shapes what the questioning can reach. Execution during the hearing determines what testimony you obtain. The work after the hearing decides whether that information gets used — and knowing why it is important is what makes it count. You walk out with the combined approach in hand: a comprehensive vocational-witness cross built for the post–SSR 24-3p landscape, guidance for before, during, and after the hearing, and a clear understanding of how to use the information you obtain and why it matters.

Format

CLE Credit

1h CLE Credits

Level

Intermediate

Length

1

Key topics that will be covered

01
Cross After SSR 24-3p
Why SSR 24-3p has made a comprehensive cross examination of the vocational witness harder to build.
02
One Combined Approach
An approach that should cover most instances, combining several of the popular current approaches.
03
Before the Hearing
Preparing the vocational witness cross before the hearing begins.
04
During the Hearing
Executing the cross examination of the vocational witness at the hearing.
05
After the Hearing
What to do with the cross once the hearing ends.
06
Using the Information
How to use the information obtained and why it is important.

Program schedule

clock 5:00 pm - 6:00 pm EST

One VE Cross to Rule Them All

Since SSR 24-3p, putting together a comprehensive cross examination of the vocational witness has been harder. We will provide an approach that should cover most instances, combining several of the popular current approaches. We will provide guidance for before, during, and after the hearing. We’ll also review how to use the information and why it is important.

Theodore NorwoodTheodore Norwood
Meghan GalloMeghan Gallo
David ChermolDavid Chermol
Theodore Norwood

Theodore Norwood

NOSSCR

Meghan Gallo

Meghan Gallo

GCC Law firm

David Chermol

David Chermol

Chermol & Fishman, LLC

Theodore Norwood

Theodore Norwood

NOSSCR

Social Security law practitioner who has represented claimants across the country at the administrative level and in federal courts since 2007.

Education & Credentials

University of Missouri - Columbia School of Law (graduated 2007)

Professional Involvement

NOSSCR Board of Directors member for several years, initially as 8th Circuit Representative, currently serving as at-large board member and Treasurer.

Experience

Started practicing Social Security law in 2007. Has represented claimants across the country at the administrative level and in federal courts. Member of the Missouri Bar. Based in St. Louis.
Meghan Gallo

Meghan Gallo

GCC Law firm

Megan Gallo is a NOSSCR Board Member for the 8th Circuit.

Education & Credentials

She earned her undergraduate business degree from the University of Arizona’s Eller College of Management and her Juris Doctorate from the University of Arkansas School of Law in 2010, earning Dean’s List recognition. She is licensed to practice before the Eighth Circuit Court of Appeals.

Recognition & Leadership

She is recognized nationally in Social Security disability law, particularly on Step Five vocational testimony, serves on NOSSCR’s Policy and Governance Committees, and has mentored NOSSCR attorneys for several years.

Professional Involvement

She has also been one of the leading presenters and practitioners addressing statistical deficiencies in vocational evidence.

Experience

She is an experienced administrative and federal court attorney from Arkansas.
David Chermol

David Chermol

Chermol & Fishman, LLC

David Chermol is a former OGC attorney with a national litigation practice in SSA cases, representing thousands of claimants before the agency and federal courts.

Education & Credentials

During his decade at SSA, he served as the Commissioner’s senior disability litigator for Mid-Atlantic Region III at the GS-15 level and received two Excellence in Service Awards and a General Counsel’s citation.

Recognition & Leadership

During his decade at SSA, he served as the Commissioner’s senior disability litigator for Mid-Atlantic Region III at the GS-15 level and received two Excellence in Service Awards and a General Counsel’s citation.

Professional Involvement

He has provided national and regional training to SSA’s administrative law judges on issuing legally defensible decisions and, in coordination with the Department of Justice, trained SSA attorneys on effective appellate advocacy. He served as SSA’s lead author, presenter, and editor for the 2006 and 2007 Pennsylvania continuing legal education courses on disability appeals in the federal courts, and he is a member of NOSSCR and the National Association of Disability Representatives.

Experience

From 1997 to 2007, he was an Assistant Regional Counsel for the Social Security Administration’s Office of the General Counsel in Philadelphia, serving as a Special Assistant United States Attorney for the Commissioner of Social Security in the Eastern District of Pennsylvania and the District of Delaware. He personally litigated or developed litigation strategy in most of the major disability cases resulting in published Third and Fourth Circuit decisions during that period.
Theodore Norwood

Theodore Norwood

NOSSCR

Social Security law practitioner who has represented claimants across the country at the administrative level and in federal courts since 2007.

Education & Credentials

University of Missouri - Columbia School of Law (graduated 2007)

Professional Involvement

NOSSCR Board of Directors member for several years, initially as 8th Circuit Representative, currently serving as at-large board member and Treasurer.

Experience

Started practicing Social Security law in 2007. Has represented claimants across the country at the administrative level and in federal courts. Member of the Missouri Bar. Based in St. Louis.
Meghan Gallo

Meghan Gallo

GCC Law firm

Megan Gallo is a NOSSCR Board Member for the 8th Circuit.

Education & Credentials

She earned her undergraduate business degree from the University of Arizona’s Eller College of Management and her Juris Doctorate from the University of Arkansas School of Law in 2010, earning Dean’s List recognition. She is licensed to practice before the Eighth Circuit Court of Appeals.

Recognition & Leadership

She is recognized nationally in Social Security disability law, particularly on Step Five vocational testimony, serves on NOSSCR’s Policy and Governance Committees, and has mentored NOSSCR attorneys for several years.

Professional Involvement

She has also been one of the leading presenters and practitioners addressing statistical deficiencies in vocational evidence.

Experience

She is an experienced administrative and federal court attorney from Arkansas.
David Chermol

David Chermol

Chermol & Fishman, LLC

David Chermol is a former OGC attorney with a national litigation practice in SSA cases, representing thousands of claimants before the agency and federal courts.

Education & Credentials

During his decade at SSA, he served as the Commissioner’s senior disability litigator for Mid-Atlantic Region III at the GS-15 level and received two Excellence in Service Awards and a General Counsel’s citation.

Recognition & Leadership

During his decade at SSA, he served as the Commissioner’s senior disability litigator for Mid-Atlantic Region III at the GS-15 level and received two Excellence in Service Awards and a General Counsel’s citation.

Professional Involvement

He has provided national and regional training to SSA’s administrative law judges on issuing legally defensible decisions and, in coordination with the Department of Justice, trained SSA attorneys on effective appellate advocacy. He served as SSA’s lead author, presenter, and editor for the 2006 and 2007 Pennsylvania continuing legal education courses on disability appeals in the federal courts, and he is a member of NOSSCR and the National Association of Disability Representatives.

Experience

From 1997 to 2007, he was an Assistant Regional Counsel for the Social Security Administration’s Office of the General Counsel in Philadelphia, serving as a Special Assistant United States Attorney for the Commissioner of Social Security in the Eastern District of Pennsylvania and the District of Delaware. He personally litigated or developed litigation strategy in most of the major disability cases resulting in published Third and Fourth Circuit decisions during that period.

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MD1.0
ME1.0
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MO1.2
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NM1.0
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NY1.0
OH1.0
OK1.0
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PA1.0
RI1.0
SC1.0
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