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Using Simple Math and SSR 24-3p To Quickly Identify and Explain Conflicts in Step 5 Testimony – 2026 Spring National Conference – Track II (Presented by National Organization of Social Security Claimants’ Representatives)

Use simple math, VE classification systems, and regulatory publications to quickly identify and explain conflicts in Step 5 vocational expert testimony.

2026-04-22 11:00:00

1 hours

Program Details

2026-04-22 11:00:00

2026-04-22 11:00:00

1h CLE Credits

2026-04-22 11:00:00

1 hours

Program Details

2026-04-22 11:00:00

Program Details

2026-04-22 11:00:00

Over 1,000+ webinars

2026-04-22 11:00:00

1 hours

Course Overview

Challenge Step 5 Testimony Effectively

2026-04-22 11:00:00

Attorneys will learn to identify and explain conflicts in Step 5 VE testimony using simple math, the expert’s own classification system, and publications recognized under 20 C.F.R. § 404.1566(d).

Format

CLE Credit

1h CLE Credits

Level

Intermediate

Length

1

Key topics that will be covered

01
Math testing
Apply basic mathematical analysis to expose inflated job-number estimates and unsupported VE assumptions.
02
VE classification
Use the vocational expert’s own occupational system to reveal inconsistencies in their conclusions.
03
Regulatory sources
Apply publications listed in 20 C.F.R. §§ 404.1566(d) and 416.966(d) to evaluate vocational evidence.
04
Conflict identification
Compare job-number evidence and occupational data to uncover conflicts otherwise left on the record.
05
Record challenges
Translate technical discrepancies into focused, persuasive arguments that adjudicators can clearly follow.
06
Appellate preservation
Strengthen hearing-level advocacy while preserving key Step 5 issues for further administrative or judicial review.

Program schedule

clock 11:00 am - 12:00 pm EST

Using Simple Math and SSR 24-3p To Quickly Identify and Explain Conflicts in Step 5 Testimony

This segment explains how to quickly apply VE-provided information against vocational experts using three tools: simple math, their own occupational classification system, and the publications listed in 20 C.F.R. §§ 404.1566(d) and 416.966(d).

Eligible for up to 1 CLE Credit Hour

This session was originally submitted for CLE as a live, in-person presentation and a live webcast for the 2026 Spring National Conference and may be eligible for self-study credit. Each state handles self-study credit differently; for questions, please consult your State Bar Association.

Recorded Wednesday, April 22, 2026.

Rob TarlockRob Tarlock
Rob Tarlock

Rob Tarlock

Liner Legal

Rob Tarlock

Rob Tarlock

Liner Legal

Rob Tarlock is a Disability Attorney and federal litigator at Liner Legal, where he represents clients nationwide at every stage of the Social Security disability process, from administrative hearings through U.S. District Court and the Courts of Appeal. Based in Chicago, Rob brings more than seven years of disability law experience, two judicial clerkships, and a career defined by advocacy both inside and outside the courtroom. He holds a Juris Doctor from DePaul University College of Law and a Bachelor of Arts in American Studies and Literature from Colby College. A respected voice in the national disability law community, Rob speaks regularly at NOSSCR conferences, the National Business Institute, bar associations, and law school symposia. Before entering the law, he spent 15 years as a hip-hop artist and former public-school teacher, a background that continues to shape his commitment to amplifying underserved voices.

Education & Credentials

Rob earned a Bachelor of Arts in American Studies and Literature from Colby College and a Juris Doctor from DePaul University College of Law. He clerked for both the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Illinois and the Daley Circuit Court in Chicago, dual clerkship experience that gave him deep firsthand insight into judicial decision-making, procedural expectations, and the standards federal courts apply in reviewing Social Security disability cases. His clerkship background is a significant professional credential that directly informs his approach to federal disability litigation and his preparation of clients for every stage of the adjudication process.

Recognition & Leadership

Rob has established himself as a recognized national speaker and educator in the Social Security disability field. He has presented on Social Security topics at NOSSCR conferences, the National Business Institute, the Chicago and North Carolina Bar Associations, and Loyola College of Law's Children's Legal Rights Journal Symposium, a diverse platform that reflects the breadth of his expertise and the demand for his perspective among practitioners, judges, and law students alike. His dual clerkship experience at the federal district court and circuit court levels, combined with his active federal litigation practice at Liner Legal, positions him as one of the more credentialed federal litigators in the disability bar.

Professional Involvement

Rob's professional involvement spans federal disability litigation, national education, and the mentorship of fellow attorneys. At Liner Legal, he handles SSDI and SSI administrative hearings, federal court appeals, and complex claims requiring appellate-level strategy. As a national speaker, he contributes to practitioner education at NOSSCR, the NBI, and bar association events, as well as academic settings such as Loyola's Children's Legal Rights Journal Symposium. His background as a former public school teacher and his long history of community and political engagement, including voter protection work during the 2008 presidential election, reflect a practitioner whose professional involvement is rooted in a career-long commitment to advocacy for underserved communities.

Experience

Rob Tarlock's path to disability law runs through two judicial clerkships, more than seven years of federal disability litigation, a decade and a half in public education and hip-hop, and a career defined by advocacy for those whose voices too often go unheard. At Liner Legal, he represents clients across the country at every level of the Social Security disability process, from initial hearings before administrative law judges through federal district court and appellate litigation. His DePaul JD, his Colby BA in American Studies and Literature, and his clerkship experience at both the federal district and circuit court levels give him a rigorous analytical foundation and a judicial perspective that sets his advocacy apart. Outside the office, Rob continues to write and perform music in Chicago, channeling the same creative drive and social justice orientation that have shaped his career from its earliest days.
Rob Tarlock

Rob Tarlock

Liner Legal

Rob Tarlock is a Disability Attorney and federal litigator at Liner Legal, where he represents clients nationwide at every stage of the Social Security disability process, from administrative hearings through U.S. District Court and the Courts of Appeal. Based in Chicago, Rob brings more than seven years of disability law experience, two judicial clerkships, and a career defined by advocacy both inside and outside the courtroom. He holds a Juris Doctor from DePaul University College of Law and a Bachelor of Arts in American Studies and Literature from Colby College. A respected voice in the national disability law community, Rob speaks regularly at NOSSCR conferences, the National Business Institute, bar associations, and law school symposia. Before entering the law, he spent 15 years as a hip-hop artist and former public-school teacher, a background that continues to shape his commitment to amplifying underserved voices.

Education & Credentials

Rob earned a Bachelor of Arts in American Studies and Literature from Colby College and a Juris Doctor from DePaul University College of Law. He clerked for both the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Illinois and the Daley Circuit Court in Chicago, dual clerkship experience that gave him deep firsthand insight into judicial decision-making, procedural expectations, and the standards federal courts apply in reviewing Social Security disability cases. His clerkship background is a significant professional credential that directly informs his approach to federal disability litigation and his preparation of clients for every stage of the adjudication process.

Recognition & Leadership

Rob has established himself as a recognized national speaker and educator in the Social Security disability field. He has presented on Social Security topics at NOSSCR conferences, the National Business Institute, the Chicago and North Carolina Bar Associations, and Loyola College of Law's Children's Legal Rights Journal Symposium, a diverse platform that reflects the breadth of his expertise and the demand for his perspective among practitioners, judges, and law students alike. His dual clerkship experience at the federal district court and circuit court levels, combined with his active federal litigation practice at Liner Legal, positions him as one of the more credentialed federal litigators in the disability bar.

Professional Involvement

Rob's professional involvement spans federal disability litigation, national education, and the mentorship of fellow attorneys. At Liner Legal, he handles SSDI and SSI administrative hearings, federal court appeals, and complex claims requiring appellate-level strategy. As a national speaker, he contributes to practitioner education at NOSSCR, the NBI, and bar association events, as well as academic settings such as Loyola's Children's Legal Rights Journal Symposium. His background as a former public school teacher and his long history of community and political engagement, including voter protection work during the 2008 presidential election, reflect a practitioner whose professional involvement is rooted in a career-long commitment to advocacy for underserved communities.

Experience

Rob Tarlock's path to disability law runs through two judicial clerkships, more than seven years of federal disability litigation, a decade and a half in public education and hip-hop, and a career defined by advocacy for those whose voices too often go unheard. At Liner Legal, he represents clients across the country at every level of the Social Security disability process, from initial hearings before administrative law judges through federal district court and appellate litigation. His DePaul JD, his Colby BA in American Studies and Literature, and his clerkship experience at both the federal district and circuit court levels give him a rigorous analytical foundation and a judicial perspective that sets his advocacy apart. Outside the office, Rob continues to write and perform music in Chicago, channeling the same creative drive and social justice orientation that have shaped his career from its earliest days.

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